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“I wouldn’t give anything for the simplicity on this side of complexity. I’d give my life for the informed simplicity of the far side of complexity.” - Adam Robinson. Email me at jordanthecounselor@gmail.com
“I wouldn’t give anything for the simplicity on this side of complexity. I’d give my life for the informed simplicity of the far side of complexity.” - Adam Robinson. Email me at jordanthecounselor@gmail.com
Episodes

Thursday Dec 13, 2018
EP 18: An Uncommon Case Report with Eric Greenleaf
Thursday Dec 13, 2018
Thursday Dec 13, 2018
"That's all I'm trying to do in therapy, I'm trying to get the patient to teach me how he does things well, [rather] than me to teach him what his mistakes are."
Eric Greenleaf, has plenty of awards. He's a Ph.D, the director of MHEIBA, editor for the Erickson Foundation Newsletter, and first recipient of the Milton H. Erickson Award of Scientific Excellence for Writing in Hypnosis. However, in this podcast you'll come to see him as a wonderful storyteller. I thoroughly enjoyed listening to him discuss case after case. Whenever I hear stories like this I'm always inspired by what is possible on the far side of therapy. In this episode you'll hear several case reports:
- The case of the trash compactor
- The case of the homemade postcards
- The case of the photographed desk
Find out more about Eric by visiting his website here or by checking out his youtube channel.
PS. If you enjoyed this episode check out my interview with Kershaw and Wade. They combine an Ericksonian approach with Neurofeedback.
Listen HERE on iTunes
or
search Behind the Mirror on Podcast Addict (for androids)
Eric Greenleaf, PhD, is offering case consultation to practitioners of Erickson-influenced hypnotherapy, in person or by tele-consulting.
Eric has practiced psychotherapy and hypnosis for 50 years, and taught and consulted Internationally. He currently consults to therapists in practice in Italy, Poland, Germany, France and the U.S. Contact him at training.MHEIBA@gmail.com to arrange individual or small group consults.
You may also be interested in Eric’s online trainings, for yourself, a small group of colleagues, or your own classes and workshops:
How to Do Hypnosis and Therapy the Erickson Way.
This 8-hour edited video of our live workshop with Betty Alice Erickson LPC, MFT, John Dyckman, PhD and Eric Greenleaf, PhD can be streamed in English or Spanish 8 CEs.
Dr. Greenleaf’s Fundamentals of Advanced Ericksonian Hypnotherapy can also be streamed online. Filmed live at the externship training at MRI in 2014. 38 edited hours of instruction, demonstration and practice exercises. 27 CEs for PhD, PsyD, MFT, LCSW, LPC and RN licenses. MDs, addiction treatment professionals, Feldenkrais practitioners and graduate students can also take this course. www.miltonherickson.com

Saturday Dec 01, 2018
EP 17: Deb Dana and the Science of Safety
Saturday Dec 01, 2018
Saturday Dec 01, 2018
"[I call polyvagal theory] the science of feeling safe enough to fall in love with life and take the risk of living."
I can't talk about therapy without talking about how important safety is. And I can't talk about safety without talking about polyvagal theory. And I can't talk about polyvagal theory without talking about two names, and one of those is Deb Dana. While others have outlined the steps and stages of safety, Deb's mission is to operationalize safety so that we therapists can use it in practical ways to help our clients.
In this podcast we talk about:
- How much of mental illness is simply a nervous system which lacks a sense of safety
- The ladder of response and why we can't respond when we don't feel safe
- Innate cues for safety and threat
and more.
Learn more about Deb Dana here. Also, search her books on Amazon
PS: If you enjoyed this you should check out my episode on how to become a better therapist. It's full of actionable tips.
Listen HERE on iTunes,
Here on YouTube
or
search Behind the Mirror on Podcast Addict (for androids)

Thursday Nov 15, 2018
EP 16: Stephen Gilligan and Generative Trance
Thursday Nov 15, 2018
Thursday Nov 15, 2018

"Usually with trance you think close your eyes and go away. And that's a good thing to be able to do but I think we always should regard it as a special case. Really what people are needing is how to connect with others and how to participate in life in the present moment with all of who they are."
Before there were therapist there were priest, mystics, magi and the like. Stephen Gilligan is a throwback to the best of those healing traditions. Talking with him and seeing him work is always inspiring and reminds me that what happens between people is more than words. I first got into his work because I was studying hypnosis, but he's gone far beyond traditional hypnosis now and looks at all the ways we can ease suffering through connecting with excluded parts in order to create communities strong enough to hold human suffering.
In this episode we discuss:
- the importance of tapping in to your center
- how healing comes from connecting to isolated parts
- how the future is all about community
- and much more ...
Read more about Gilligan here.
PS if you enjoyed this you should check out my episode with Douglas Flemons. I think they're cut from the same cloth.
Listen HERE on iTunes
or
search Behind the Mirror on Podcast Addict (for androids)

Wednesday Oct 31, 2018
EP 15: Laurence Hirshberg on Neurofeedback and Neuromodulation
Wednesday Oct 31, 2018
Wednesday Oct 31, 2018

"The question I had was, well I could teach people how to cope better, I could teach people how to manage that arousal better, but could I actually turn down that arousal so they weren't having to deal with so damn much."
Laurence Hirshberg is a brainach. You'll get two minutes into this conversation and his intelligence will simply smack you in the face. I love that. I love brilliant people. But he's also the kind of smart person who deeply cares. That is why Laurence was such an awesome guest to have on. Not only does he know his stuff, he also deeply believes in what he's doing and has seen the power of it to change peoples lives. In this episode you'll learn about:
- His early research with babies (and why they made him feel guilty)
- His work with autism
- Why Big Data won't change the world
- how infrared light can heal the brain
- How we've come a long way from Electro Convulsive Therapy
- The book he recommends as a study break
- The book every student should read
- and much more.
P.S. If you enjoyed this check out my interview with Sebern Fisher. She's the one who opened my eyes to the world of neurofeedback.
Listen HERE on iTunes

Thursday Oct 18, 2018
EP 14: How to Get your Baby to Sleep (and build a following) with Alexis Dubief
Thursday Oct 18, 2018
Thursday Oct 18, 2018

{No one is successful by themselves.} It takes a village. And I found my village and I'm super grateful because possibly the 100,000 people we've helped on the facebook group, that would have never have happened if it was just me. 2930
When I learned I was having a child one of my biggest fears was, "How am I going to handle everything when I'm exhausted?" Then, by chance, a friend recommended Alexis' blog Precious Little Sleep and everything changed. Make no mistake, the first few weeks were hard, but they were also more doable because I felt I had a road map, a wise guide, and a strong sense of what was normal. After I survived those first few weeks I knew I had to have Alexis on the podcast. My interview with Alexis was so wonderful. She's so full of energy and incredibly down to earth. In this episode we talk about:
- How and why she started her blog Precious Little Sleep
- Her forthcoming audio book and how it helped her overcome imposter syndrome
- The perils of vocal fry
- How her blog developed out of problems she was trying to solve for herself
- The problem with sleep schedules
- The insidious nature of "parental judgement"
- The question you have to ask when building a platform
- Her 20/80 rule of making content
- The struggles of transitioning to into parenthood
- Why she recommends Smart Passive Income and CopyBlogger for building your niche
PS If you're open to suggestions you'll want to start with this blog post of hers. It's one of my favorites. And if you enjoyed the episode check out this one with another blogger/influencer
Listen HERE on iTunes

Thursday Sep 20, 2018
EP 13: Bonnie Kaplan and Nutritional Treatments for Mental Health
Thursday Sep 20, 2018
Thursday Sep 20, 2018
If we had a new antidepressant that resulted in a 1/3 remission in just 12 weeks, with no side effects, except having more energy, sleeping better, having better bowel functions etcetera, it would be on the cover of Time magazine. But nobody knows about the nutrition research because the media won't cover it.
Bonnie Kaplan is a radical. She's a maverick who holds one of the best kept secrets in mental health: that a major player in mental health is nutrition. Over and over agains she's seen how simple it is to dump the nasty side effects of psychotropic chemicals and receive incredible improvements in mental health by changes in nutrition. Talking with her was energizing. She's as charismatic as she is knowledgeable.
In this episode we talk about:
- How nutrition affects mental health
- The connections between nutrition and trauma treatment
- Where most of the serotonin in your body is made, and which body part uses serotonin the most
- How the big leap isn't to a special diet, but to start cooking in general
- The types of problems most impacted by a micronutional approach
- How to help kids struggling with pill swallowing
- The role of knowledge translation
- Malcolm Gladwell's The Tipping Point
- E Fuller Torrey The Invisible Plague
I'm contemplating this quote from our talk:
One group got dietary counseling... and the other got social support. Now we know social support is very good for people with depression. So of course lots of people in both groups got better. but when they looked at rates of remission (for major depression} in just 12 weeks {meaning no longer qualified for Major Depression} thirty three percent, a third of them who got diet counseling, were in remission. and 8 percent who got social support. 33 percent compared to 8 percent and all they were taught was how to eat whole foods, how to cook from scratch, how to eat a mediterranean type of diet.
You can learn even more about nutrition and Bonnie in the links below:
- For the facebook scroller: https://www.facebook.com/nutritionandmentalhealth/
- For the curious grazer: An introductory 12-min video on the role of nutrition for stress, PTSD.
- For the interested student: TEDx talk by Prof Julia Rucklidge, of Univ of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
- For the hard core believer: A 3-part lecture series “Nutrition and Mental Health,” part of a Continuing Medical Education series run by Mad In America
Ps. If you enjoyed this check out this podcast. It's about another radical in the field.
Listen HERE on iTunes

Wednesday Sep 05, 2018
EP 12: Kathryn Sneed and Brand building from a Client's Point of View
Wednesday Sep 05, 2018
Wednesday Sep 05, 2018
"If you want to have a lot of clients you've got to make yourself a brand."
We live in a world where therapists are expected to do more than merely see clients. We now must become a personal brand. Who better to learn from then the people are have mastered personal branding: Influencers. In this episode Ryan and I sat down with influencer and therapy client, Kathryn Sneed. As a therapy client and influencer she offers unique insights into how therapists can build their brand and grow their platform. In this episode we cover:
- The importance of self promotion and facebook groups
- Social media marketing,
- What to include in your bio
And more...
My takeaway from our discussion: Small businesses are different than influencers in one big way- influencers have groups which support each other's work. How can we as therapist use the power of groups to reach people who need our services?
You can learn more about her experience in counseling here.
Listen on iTunes HERE
PS. If you enjoyed this episode check my talk with Noelle Zamudio. She also talks about practice building.

Wednesday Aug 22, 2018
EP 11: Enlightenment and Social Justice with Noelle Zamudio
Wednesday Aug 22, 2018
Wednesday Aug 22, 2018
"There's more than enough to go around. If you trust in that flow ... if you have an open hand, things can flow into that hand and things flow out of it. But if it's closed it's hard to flow in and it's hard to flow out."
After talking with Noelle I came away inspired by her clarity and vision. She's committed to providing therapy in a way that's affordable to her clients as well as creating a business that mentors new therapists. Her approach is so refreshing in a world that increasingly only cares about making a profit. I came away reminded about why I got into this field. In this episode we talk about:
- The reality of running a therapy business versus what you're taught in school
- The value of mentorship in her development
- Her practice of combating the scarcity mindset with rituals
- How both perpetrators and victims are victims of trauma

Wednesday Aug 15, 2018
EP 10: Motivational Interviewing with Dr. Angela Bethea-Walsh
Wednesday Aug 15, 2018
Wednesday Aug 15, 2018
One of the things that’s important to remember is knowledge is not enough for people to change.
Along the path of life we occasionally bump into exemplars- persons seen from a distance who inspire us by showing us what’s possible. For me, Dr Angela Bethea-Walsh is one of those persons; a highly skilled person of color with a full and diverse career. Because of that, my interview with her was profoundly engaging. I hope you listen as closely as I did, because every other word she speaks is gold. In this episode we cover:
- Her wandering path of success
- An overview of Motivational Interviewing
- The crucial role of ambivalence in Motivational Interviewing
- And so much more…
If you’d like to learn more about Angela you can check her here. And if you’re in the Georgia area check out her upcoming trainings.
LISTEN HERE
PS. If you enjoyed this episode check out this one. With Lisa Diamond. She’s another powerhouse.

Wednesday Aug 15, 2018
EP 9: Lisa Diamond on sexual fluidity and attachment
Wednesday Aug 15, 2018
Wednesday Aug 15, 2018
“Our society does not respect attachment relationships that are neither family nor sexual and I think that’s a fundamental weakness and something that runs counter to what we know about ourselves as a species.”
Lisa Diamond is one of the top researchers in the world on sexual fluidity, the capacity for a person’s sexual orientation to change over time. Talking with her was an acid trip. Every other thing she said blew my mind and opened up whole worlds of questions. What surprised me the most was how quickly the conversation turned towards …wait for it… attachment.
In this episode we delve into a bunch of topics such as :
- Sexual fluidity
- The links between attachment and sexuality
- The importance of nonsexual attachment relationships
- Her ultimate quest to unite the fields of relationship and sexuality
- The numbers on how many people experience fluidity in their sexuality (it’s MUCH higher than you’d think)
Listen here!
ENJOY!
PS. If you enjoyed this episode check out this blog post on sex. It’s my most popular.

